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For two weeks after their last conversation, the youth has been burdened by thoughts of freedom and has felt increasingly less free.
Beginning their new conversation with a discussion of freedom, the youth brings up the idea of financial freedom and then the idea of “bonds,” or obligations to people. He explains that his parents pressured him in different ways and caused him anxiety. The only thing he chose for himself is his current job—he works as a librarian at a university. When he chose the university that they wanted him to attend, he felt relieved that they might recognize him at last. The philosopher explains that Adlerian psychology advises people not to seek recognition.
Using the example of picking up trash around one’s workplace and stopping when one does not receive recognition, the philosopher argues that there is something wrong with the reward-punishment structure in mainstream education. The young man responds that it is natural to want to be recognized for doing well, but the philosopher counters that this path leads to living other people’s lives rather than one’s own.
The young man replies that this argument erodes the foundation of society, which is built upon mutual recognition. The philosopher asserts that such an approach is unhealthy and nihilistic and poses a rhetorical question, asking the youth if he would still do good deeds if there were no god. The philosopher believes that people who get recognition are not happy; if one assumes the job of making other people happy, one will always be afraid of failure.
In response to the youth’s question of whether he should be selfish, the philosopher begins to explain the concept of the “separation of tasks.” The man is confused, wondering why the philosopher would tell him to act more selfishly.
The philosopher asks what the young man would do if his child refused to study; the youth states that he would drag the child to the library and make him study. The philosopher explains that in Adlerian psychology, one must ask the question, “Whose task is this?” In this case, it is the child’s task because the child will have to face the consequences. And in general, one should not intrude on another’s task.
The young man argues that a child’s study habits are a parent’s responsibility, so it is their task. The philosopher explains that no one can change another person, so it could not be another person’s task. To support his argument, the philosopher recounts the adage that states, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” (125).
The man asks what the philosopher would do if his own child were determined to remain indoors, just like the friend he referenced during their first conversation. The philosopher responds that he would try not to intervene, but he would send a clear message that he is there when the child wants support or help. The philosopher emphasizes that the act of love is believing in another person even if they do not do what you want them to do.
The philosopher suggests that when someone is angry or judgmental or disapproves of his situation, the young man should separate his tasks from theirs. This is his suggestion for the man’s next step. Using a boss/worker relationship to emphasize the point, he suggests that he should never cross into someone else’s task or let someone cross into his. The young man realizes that they are about to talk about freedom.
The youth states that in theory, he agrees; however, in practice, he thinks that the separation of tasks isolates people and ignores human emotions. The philosopher tells the story of the Gordian knot—a knot so famously difficult to unravel that it was said that whoever managed to do so would be the king of Asia. Alexander the Great cut the knot with his sword and said that destiny is something created, not given.
The philosopher argues that interpersonal relationships require a level of distance in order to function. He admits that this idea is antithetical to mainstream social thinking, but the youth still struggles to accept what he sees as a philosophy stripped of humanity.
The youth expresses his desire for approval from others, citing how much more difficult it is to find one’s own path for oneself. They discuss whether it is worth being free without recognition.
The man expresses his fear of being disliked, and they consider what one must have to do in order to avoid being disliked. To accomplish such a goal, it would be necessary to accommodate every person’s feelings at all times. This practice would inevitably lead to lies. The young man still wonders how one can live according to the philosopher’s premise without becoming egocentric or hedonistic. The philosopher asserts that it is more egocentric to intervene in other people’s tasks.
Wanting to be liked is a natural “inclination,” as the German philosopher Immanuel Kant puts it, but following one’s natural desires is not freedom. The philosopher tells the youth that if following one’s desires is like a stone rolling down a hill, then freedom is more like pushing a stone up a hill. Freedom is allowing oneself to be disliked by other people. The cost of freedom is being disliked. The philosopher says that he is free, and that although he does not want to be disliked, he doesn’t mind when someone dislikes him.
Before separating for the night, the philosopher discusses his relationship with his father. He used to think that because his father hit him, they had a bad relationship. Now he has reframed his past, and he has come to believe that he used that event as a reason not to try to repair their relationship. With this new perspective, he gives himself the hope of change. Before they break for the night, the young man asks what happened with the philosopher’s father. The philosopher says that as he cared for his father at the end of the man’s life, his father thanked him. In other words, the philosopher believes that he led his father to water and that his father drank.
Throughout the book, the authors use key argumentative exchanges and strategic dialogue to illustrate crucial aspects of Adlerian psychology and counter common objections to this philosophical approach. For example, at one point the young man responds to the philosopher by saying, “Your argument is an abhorrent, dangerous way of thinking… It’s a diabolical solicitation to needlessly stir up distrust and doubt” (119). The philosopher replies, “Ha-ha,” and suggests, “Let’s think about this together” (119). Here, the young man engages in projection; he has admitted to feeling distrust and doubt through his own patterns of thinking, but he still accuses the philosopher of urging him to do just that. When the philosopher responds with grace and humor rather than hostility, he demonstrates the very concepts that he is striving to teach. Rather than reacting to the prospect of being disliked, he takes no offense at the young man’s accusation and even invites him to engage in further dialogue. Throughout the book, whenever the philosopher repeats variations of the sentence “Let’s think about this together” (50, 119, 140), his approach exemplifies his overarching belief that dialogue, reflection, and investment in community all lead to personal change. While the young man still operates in a world of vertical relationships in which people judge and control others, the philosopher remains true to his belief in horizontal relationships—those in which the participants are equal and in which each individual must decide whether or not to change. With his shrewd observations, the philosopher also demonstrates his belief in The Grounding Influence of Community and Contribution.
These chapters also reflect the authors’ pragmatic, down-to-earth approach as they endeavor to render philosophy more easily accessible to a general audience. To this end, the philosopher frequently uses analogies to illustrate his points. When explaining the separation of tasks, for example, he draws an extreme comparison about a child struggling to tie their shoes, stating:
For the busy mother, it is certainly faster to tie them than to wait for him to do it himself. But that is an intervention, and it is taking the child’s task away from him. And as a result of repeating that intervention, the child will cease to learn anything, and will lose the courage to face his life tasks (136).
By using an example of the lopsided power dynamics between mother and child, the philosopher accounts for future questions about how far the concept of the separation of tasks extends. Even with a task as mundane as a child tying their own shoes, the philosopher believes that it is vital to their development to do it themselves. Furthermore, if the mother completes the task for the child, she strips them of the opportunity to grow. This example develops the book’s thematic focus on Freedom as the Key to Happiness. By using this analogy, the philosopher gives the young man the opportunity to accept difficult truths in the context of another person’s story rather than his own so that he may eventually internalize these truths and apply them to his own life.
To illustrate the idea of separation of tasks, the philosopher uses the old cliché, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” (125). This metaphor emphasizes the idea that one can help someone along—the way the philosopher is doing with the youth—but cannot actually make that person do anything against their will. This stage of the dialogue therefore builds on the idea of the separation of tasks and on Freedom as the Key to Happiness. Likewise, the authors continue to draw explicit connections to Adlerian psychology, as when the philosopher later explains his methods for reframing his relationship with his father. Notably, the youth’s interactions with the philosopher are also coming to resemble a familial relationship, with the philosopher as something of an abstract father figure. For example, before he leaves for the night, the youth asks how the philosopher's relationship with his own father unfolded. This question symbolizes both men’s increasing personal interest in each other and their growing comfort in being honest with each other. The youth’s question comes from a place of personal curiosity, not philosophical intrigue. Yet the philosopher, embodying his beliefs, uses the same metaphor that he did in the beginning of part three: He brought his father to water and, in the end, his father drank.



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