The Interestings

Meg Wolitzer

60 pages 2-hour read

Meg Wolitzer

The Interestings

Fiction | Novel | Adult | Published in 2013

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Part 2, Chapters 14-17Chapter Summaries & Analyses

Content Warning: This section of the guide includes discussion of mental illness, child abuse, illness, death, sexual harassment, and rape.

Part 2: “Figland”

Part 2, Chapter 14 Summary

Shortly after Ash and Ethan’s son Mo is diagnosed with autism-spectrum disorder, Ash organizes a family trip to Bali with their nanny, Rose, framing it as time together in their new reality. Ethan buries himself in work at his Midtown Manhattan studio to avoid discussing Mo’s diagnosis.


During the vacation, Ethan reflects on how much his friendship with Jules has been strained by parenthood. A flashback shows an awkward brunch where Ethan and Ash offer financial assistance to Dennis and Jules. Dennis refuses, uncomfortable with charity.


At the resort, a conversation about child labor disturbs Ethan, prompting him to fly to Jakarta and tour the factory that produces merchandise for his show. The manager offers a sanitized visit, but when Ethan returns unannounced, he discovers underage children working the machines. Overwhelmed by his complicity in child labor, Ethan decides to atone.


Back in New York, Ethan visits Jules and confesses he had hidden in a Manhattan hotel while Mo was being diagnosed because he was unable to face the news. He admits he is unsure if he loves his son. Jules advises him to act with love regardless. Ethan then gives Jules a check for $100,000 to help her family. Dennis is humiliated when he learns of it, but Jules insists they accept and leave their cramped apartment.

Part 2, Chapter 15 Summary

Jules and Dennis move into a brighter apartment using Ethan’s gift as a down payment, with him cosigning the mortgage. Ash helps them unpack. That same night, Betsy Wolf dies suddenly of a brain hemorrhage at 65. Jules rushes to comfort Ash. At Betsy’s funeral days later, Jules imagines that Goodman might appear but knows he cannot risk it. Mo shrieks, abruptly ending the service. The morning after, Goodman calls Jules, cries about losing his mother, then and makes her feel uncomfortable about being attracted to him. She ends the call.


Over the following years, Ethan creates an anti-child-labor film and a television spinoff of Figland, both of which fail. In 1997, Jules hears about an experimental antidepressant, Stabilivox. Through Ethan’s connections, Dennis enters a clinical trial at UCLA; the medication works, and he soon returns to work. In 2001, Jules sees Cathy, now a corporate CEO, on CNN, facing accusations of breaking promises to families of her employees who died in the September 11 attacks. Jules speculates to Jonah that Cathy is unconsciously repeating the abandonment she experienced after Goodman raped her. Jonah asks if Jules still thinks about the incident, and after a pause, she admits she does.

Part 2, Chapter 16 Summary

In February 2002, after receiving an activism award at a fundraiser, Robert tells Jonah that he wants something more than what their relationship has provided and that he has met someone else. He ends their long relationship.


Devastated, Jonah goes to Ash and Ethan’s house, but they are in Colorado. Their nanny, who is home with the children, lets him in; Ash invites him to spend the night. The next morning, Jonah finds Mo in the playroom building an intricate garbage claw from LEGO pieces and recognizes that Mo has a remarkable, intuitive grasp of mechanics. At breakfast, Jonah tells the children he feels sad because Robert left him. Larkin coaches Mo on the appropriate response. Mo haltingly tells Jonah he is sorry.

Part 2, Chapter 17 Summary

In 2010, Manny and Edie Wunderlich fire Spirit-in-the-Woods’ current director after he argues it is failing because they refuse to modernize. Months later, Jules, now 51, encounters a former camp friend on a Manhattan bus, who mentions the Wunderlichs are seeking a new director. The encounter sparks an idea. After convincing a hesitant Dennis, Jules applies and is offered the position on a provisional basis. She begins closing her therapy practice; one long-term client reacts with shock, questioning why Jules would abandon therapy for a summer camp.


That night, Jules feels anxious about the change and her belief that she was never a natural therapist. Dennis tells her he is impressed with her impulsiveness. Ash, Ethan, and Jonah are excited for her but sad their New York life together may be ending. Walking home, Jules feels hopeful that she will recapture the vibrant feeling she had at the camp as a teenager.

Part 2, Chapters 14-17 Analysis

Ethan’s confrontation with overseas labor practices deepens the theme of The Intertwining of Art, Commerce, and Morality. Ethan attempts to counterbalance the systemic exploitation of his commercial empire by deploying his wealth in a localized way to benefit his friends, Jules and Dennis. However, this act of generosity complicates his ethical standing, as the capital he utilizes to elevate the Boyds’ living conditions derives directly from the labor practices he abhors. This contradiction illustrates how deeply enmeshed artistic products have become within a global capitalist framework, demonstrating that widespread commercial success necessitates participation in compromised systems that private philanthropy cannot cleanly resolve. On the other end of the relationship, Dennis’s access to experimental treatment depends entirely on his proximity to immense wealth and influence, underscoring the precariousness of his middle-class existence in contrast to Ethan’s power. This mirrors the broader economic transformation of New York City, where the ascendancy of the creative class dictates who possesses the resources to overcome profound adversity.


Jules’s decision to dismantle her therapy practice and become the director of Spirit-in-the-Woods represents a reckoning with the theme of Managing Ambitious Expectations of Adult Life. Feeling professional stagnation and self-doubt in her practice as a therapist, Jules seizes an opening to run the camp, driven by a desire to recapture the time when her life felt “electric” (448). By returning to the site of her original awakening, Jules acknowledges the limitations of the compromises she made as an adult. Her willingness to abandon an established career for a provisional role underscores her persistent dissatisfaction with the ordinary trajectory her life has taken, especially in contrast to the exceptionalism she once anticipated she would embody when she was younger.


At the same time, these chapters also hint at the limits of Jules’s decision, contradicting the self-doubt she feels in her practice as a therapist. Wolitzer transforms Jules’s perpetual outsider status into the foundation for her ability to understand people. Jules interprets Cathy’s public failure through the lens of her unresolved trauma with Goodman, giving her keen insight into behavior that no one else can see, not even Jonah. The television screen enforces a physical distance between the former friends, yet Jules utilizes this act of observation to impose a psychological narrative onto corporate actions, replicating the same distance she had from Ash, Ethan, and Goodman as she grew up at a distance from the circles of intimacy they engaged in but repeatedly excluded her from. This dynamic reinforces how foundational events continually dictate adult identities.


Finally, Jonah’s breakup and subsequent interaction with Ethan’s children further illustrates the emotional challenges that stem from the decision to repress one’s personal history. When Robert ends their long relationship, he cites a need for a partner who “throws himself into me, physically and mentally” (431). Unwittingly, Robert frames Jonah’s failure to share the deepest truths of himself with Robert as the cause of their breakup. Devastated, Jonah seeks refuge at the Figman household, where he connects with Mo over an intricate LEGO mechanism. When Jonah finally confesses the reason behind his sadness to the children, it is because he knows he is risking nothing of his ego to open up to them. Wolitzer stresses this by having Larkin rigidly coach Mo on how to commiserate with Jonah. Jonah accepts Mo’s apology, but understands it is less affecting than hearing one from Jules or Ethan, who will process the way this burden has affected him over the decades.

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