We Don't Talk About Carol

Kristen L. Berry

We Don't Talk About Carol

Kristen L. Berry
58 pages1-hour read
Fiction
Novel
Adult
Published in 2025

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Chapters 32-39Chapter Summaries & Analyses

Content Warning: This section of the guide includes discussion of death, child death, graphic violence, sexual violence, emotional abuse, racism, and mental illness.

Chapter 32 Summary

Wesley Jones’s profile is minimal, but Sydney guides Sasha in composing a message that frames their inquiry as simple family research, hoping to make him curious. Meanwhile, a TV news report on the Raleigh Six features a person, whose identity was concealed, recalling how Raymond Green once drove them to a “swampy area.” This reinforces Sydney’s suspicion about the wetlands, and she emails Detective Higgins again to urge him to search there.


During a tense Christmas dinner, Sydney feels like the family’s peace is superficial, as the issues from their Thanksgiving argument remain unaddressed. Later, Sasha is shocked to receive an email from Wesley. He reveals that he is 60 years old and lives in Brooklyn and that his mother—Carol—is still alive. He explains that his mother never speaks of her family. To avoid frightening Carol, Sydney suggests that they arrange to meet Wesley in person during an upcoming New Year’s trip to New York. Sasha sends a message proposing that they meet for coffee.

Chapter 33 Summary

Sydney and Malik attend an ultrasound appointment where they see the distinct shape of their baby for the first time. Their fertility specialist, Dr. Tanaka, “graduates” them to a regular OB-GYN, Dr. Adams, whom Sydney already knows. Malik is overcome with gratefulness. Later, Sydney’s suggestion that they travel to New York to meet Wesley sparks a major argument. Malik fears that her investigation is becoming an obsession that could endanger the pregnancy and trigger a mental-health crisis like the one she experienced in San Francisco.


Sydney insists that she’s stronger now and needs him to trust her. Malik confesses that his fear is rooted in his own guilt for failing to see how much help she needed in the past. The conversation becomes a breakthrough, and they agree to communicate more honestly. Sydney affirms her commitment to both their baby and the investigation. Understanding its importance to her, Malik agrees to the trip.

Chapter 34 Summary

In their Williamsburg hotel room, Sydney looks out at the Manhattan skyline and reflects on her lonely years as a student at New York University, wondering if she ever unknowingly crossed paths with Carol or Wesley. Later, she and Sasha meet Wesley at a coffee shop in Bed-Stuy. Wesley is immediately struck by Sydney’s strong resemblance to his mother. When Sydney shows him Carol’s final yearbook picture on her phone, he expresses surprise at seeing his mother so young before confirming that it’s her.


Wesley explains that his mother was born Mary Wright and became Mary Jones when she married and that she told him a fabricated story about her past. Sydney notes that the name echoes Carol’s favorite singer, Mary Wells. Sydney and Sasha reveal that her real name is Carol Singleton, that she’s their aunt, and that her mother lived in the same Raleigh house until her recent death. Shocked and hurt by his mother’s lifelong deception, Wesley decides that they must go to her home in Harlem and confront her immediately.

Chapter 35 Summary

As a snowstorm begins, Wesley leads Sydney and Sasha by train to Carol’s house. Carol answers the door, cheerfully greeting Wesley mid-sentence before her expression drains upon seeing Sydney and Sasha. After Wesley introduces the two women as her nieces, Carol wordlessly slams the door in their faces.

Chapter 36 Summary

The blizzard forces Sydney, Sasha, and Malik to remain in their hotel. Sydney realizes that if Carol is alive, she’s in danger; with suspicion around Michael intensifying following the discoveries in Raymond’s yard, he would be more determined than ever to silence her as a witness. She fears that their search may have led Michael directly to Carol. She composes a long, empathetic email to Carol, apologizing for ambushing her and offering a family connection. Sydney concludes by warning Carol that Michael is still a threat and that they need her help to ensure that he never hurts anyone again. On New Year’s Day, Carol replies, agreeing to meet with them, along with Wesley, at her home the next morning. She states that she will only be able to tell her story once.

Chapter 37 Summary

The next morning, Sydney, Sasha, and Wesley arrive at Carol’s house. Carol appears exhausted as she lets them in. In the kitchen, Sydney informs her that the bodies of Marian, Geraldine, and Sally were discovered buried in Raymond Green’s old yard and that Sally was buried holding a box containing items belonging to the other girls—Bettie’s library card, Loretta’s driver’s license, Geraldine’s glasses, and Marian’s necklace. Sydney also reveals that Sally’s charm bracelet was found in the trunk that Michael had given them. Visibly shaken, Carol says that she doesn’t deserve the life she has built. Sydney gently pleads with her, stressing the closure that the victims’ families have sought for decades. Overwhelmed, Carol finally confesses that she knows the location of the graves because she helped bury the girls.

Chapter 38 Summary

Carol recounts the full story of the murders. She explains that she followed Michael and Raymond into the wetlands and witnessed them murder Loretta Morgan. Michael discovered her there and, calling her by the pet name “Starling,” coerced her into helping bury the body. He threatened to frame her beloved brother, Larry, for the crimes if she ever refused to help them. For months, she was forced to act as a decoy, luring girls into their car to make them feel safe.


She was manipulated into luring her own friend, Sally Dunn, to her death. As Sally made excuses not to get in the car, Michael silently pinched Carol’s thigh in warning, causing her to call out to Sally and convince her to come. While helping bury Sally in Raymond’s yard, she secretly swapped Michael’s class ring into the box of trophies he buried with the body. A few months later, Raymond took Carol to the wetlands alone and forced her to dig; she understood that he wanted her to dig her own grave. When she began digging in one spot, he warned her to dig elsewhere, revealing that at least one other girl—Bettie Brooks—was already buried there. He then tried to sexually assault her; she fought back and killed him with the shovel in self-defense. After burying his body, she fled Raleigh that night, eventually making her way to New York to start a new life. Having unburdened herself, Carol agrees to return to Raleigh and testify against Michael.

Chapter 39 Summary

Fifteen months later, Sydney attends a private dedication for Angels’ Clearing, a new memorial for the victims located in the wetlands. She’s accompanied by Malik and their baby daughter, Nia. It took the jury only two hours to find Michael Hall guilty on multiple counts of kidnapping, false imprisonment, and first-degree murder. He awaits sentencing. Because she was a minor and a victim herself, the state didn’t press charges against Carol for her involvement.


Sydney and Sasha have created a popular podcast about the case titled Every Missing Black Girl. Their mother has reconciled with them, giving them a share of the money from the sale of their grandmother’s house. Sydney and Malik’s relationship has deepened, and both have adjusted their careers to prioritize their family. Carol attends the dedication but stays on a nearby bridge, feeling like she doesn’t deserve the other families’ forgiveness. She tells Sydney that finding her provided the strength to finally tell the truth and begin to forgive herself. While holding her daughter and standing with her aunt, Sydney feels a sense of deep peace, her family’s secrets finally laid to rest.

Chapters 32-39 Analysis

Sydney and Malik’s argument following their ultrasound is a critical turning point in their relationship and in Sydney’s personal development. When Malik voices his fear that her investigation has become an obsession that could trigger a mental-health crisis, his concern is rooted both in guilt and in the specific anxieties surrounding their high-stakes IVF pregnancy. Sydney’s response—insisting that she’s stronger now and that he must trust her—is a definitive statement of her own growth. Their subsequent, honest conversation contrasts the decades of corrosive secrets that have defined the Singleton family. By confronting their fears directly, they model a healthier form of communication, actively breaking the cycle of avoidance and repression just as they’re about to start their own family. This breakthrough demonstrates Sydney’s capacity to integrate the two primary forces in her life: her impending motherhood and her quest for justice. The mutual understanding that they achieve provides her with the emotional stability needed to face the truths awaiting her in New York, proving that she’s no longer a person defined or debilitated by past trauma.


The acceleration of the narrative structure in these final chapters mirrors the rapid unraveling of a 60-year-old secret. The plot moves from the digital discovery of Wesley Jones to a tense Christmas dinner, a cross-country flight, a face-to-face meeting, and Carol’s confession, all in quick succession. This rapid pacing creates a momentum indicating that the truth, once partially unearthed, cannot be stopped. The physical settings—shifting from Raleigh to Los Angeles and finally to New York—widen the story’s scope, suggesting that family secrets and their consequences have wide-reaching implications. The sudden blizzard that traps the characters in New York imposes a period of forced stillness, wherein Sydney must think critically about who Carol actually is as a person rather than a hypothetical victim in a past crime. Her empathetic and carefully constructed email to Carol demonstrates her understanding that the investigation isn’t only a means for her to understand her family’s past or her own trauma; Carol is a real, complex individual with her own internal conflicts to navigate.


Carol’s confession transforms her from a mysterious, absent figure into a complex, tragic character. Her statement, “I don’t deserve this life” (296), reveals the immense weight of guilt she has carried while living under the assumed identity of Mary Jones. Her full story subverts previous assumptions about what happened—whether she chose to leave the family or was a victim of violence—to assert that the truth lies somewhere between the two. Michael’s manipulation, particularly his threat to frame her brother, Larry, weaponized her love for her family to ensure her silence and complicity, an example of how Silence Perpetuates Family Harm and traps individuals in cycles of fear. Carol was simultaneously a victim of psychological abuse and an unwilling accomplice who lured her own friend to her death. Killing Raymond offered her protection, but it also forced her into a lifetime of exile and secrecy. Her testimony reveals a young girl stripped of her agency and forced to make impossible choices, providing the novel’s tragic emotional core.


The symbol of Carol’s trunk, which travels from Michael’s possession to Sydney and Sasha’s, is central to unearthing this buried history. Michael’s decision to give it to them highlights his hubris, believing that his secrets are safely buried. However, the discovery of Sally’s charm bracelet inside provides the tangible link between Carol’s disappearance and the murders of the other girls. This object connects the generations and geographies, physically bridging the gap between Michael’s crime and Sydney’s investigation. Carol’s earlier act of rebellion—swapping Michael’s class ring into the box of trophies buried with Sally—shows how the truth can’t be fully hidden. In a case where official records failed and memories were suppressed, these physical objects force the truth into the light.


The final chapter at the dedication of Angels’ Clearing transforms a site of violence into a space for communal healing and remembrance. Stanley, Barbara’s brother, speaks at the event, stating, “By turning this area into such a lovely, peaceful place, it’s like we’re taking that power back” (319). This echoes Sydney’s earlier statement about true-crime podcasts and mirrors the emotional rebuilding within Sydney’s family, which can now form new bonds based on honesty. It directly confronts the historical pattern of How Systemic Racism Shapes Public Response to Hardship by ensuring that these victims, and others like them, receive the attention they were long denied. The ending brings multiple character arcs to a close: Sydney is a confident mother and truth teller, and her relationships with Malik and Sasha are founded on a new level of trust. Carol’s choice to remain on the bridge, accepting her past without demanding forgiveness, shows a quiet, personal atonement. As Sydney holds her daughter, Nia, and stands with her aunt, the novel concludes by affirming that while the past can’t be erased, the act of confronting it makes a peaceful future possible, demonstrating how Truth Telling Reclaims Personal Power for both individuals and communities.

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